Cons: Mediocre AoE especially if there are more than 4 mobs in the pack. Other than that, the difference is BLM is a heavy hitter DPS while SMN is more of a damage over time DPS with a pet. Because you have to micromanage your pet, this class is definitely one of the harder/more complicated jobs to play. As others have mentioned, you will need blm at lvl 26 for swiftcast, for any other caster right now, but other than that they are both very good damage dealers capable of being on top of the dps chart. I don't have my SMN to 60 yet because managing a "lobotomized pet" is such a pain in the ass. Ifrit-Egi. In that regard the SMN is a high dps no matter the situation, be it learning or a fight that you know through and through. FFXIV Jobs; FFXIV Shadowbringers Black Mage; Guide; Log Analysis; Pages in this Guide. For progress fights though, the Summoner wins easily hands down, since it's lowest dps potential is quite a lot higher than the BLM one, due to dots dmging while moving where a BLM just looses out dps if you have to move during learning/progress fights, obviously the rez from SMN is very valuable in progression fights too. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Type: Magic Ranged DPS; Prerequisite class: Thaumaturge; Difficulty: 4/5; Even among the game's heaviest of hitters, few can match Black Mage. who is better at what and stuff like that. i do really enjoy it, though! They're both a lot of fun but I prefer summoner as a main for top end fights like coil. I would suggest trying both and see which one you enjoy the most, playing them at 50 is preferred because IMO BLM at 50 is completely different than how it is on the way to 50. Comment by 6417 Found him on top of Deadmist Peak. who is better at what and stuff like that. You can start moving when a cast is close to finishing and still have the cast complete. 0. But the 50-60 skills just kinda ruined it for me personally, dot management wasn't really fun anymore on top of everything else, it's just a bit too much for me. Black Mage; Red Mage; Summoner; Raids; Resources; Allagan Studies; Streamers; Support Us; Contact ⌕ Summoner Guide 5.4 FFXIV Shadowbringers Summoner Rotation. When it comes down to spell costs, black mage spells are cheaper (mp / jp wise), summoner spells just plain cost more. Then it's back to feeling like a crappy Scholar. Additional PvP Actions. (Personally, I think I would do Arcanist/SMN first because it will force you to play THM in order to unlock SMN and get the cross-class skills.). Loading... Unsubscribe from Ilya Dalamiq? Just wish the pet was a bit more interesting other than "use Contagion after a DWT tree-distaster and use the aoe when there's multiple targets". I've seen alot of people calling out in favor of both nerfing red mage and buffing black mage/summoner, which following S.E's trends in the past seems like it's destined to result in summoner/black mage being viable and red mage not so. I'm still hot garbage at actually DPSing on BLM, but it's fun. Still, I think it might do me good to try to figure it out. Working on it though :) Drianthia Trinall. They have really good survival abilities (Manawall for physical, Manaward for magical, Apocatastastis for other party member magic defense increase) and Lethargy to slow/gravity where applicable, but their main focus is to dish as much damage as possible while minimizing movement. Black Mage Role – FF14 Shadowbringers Guide. Black Mage; Summoner; Red Mage; Blue Mage; Gameplay Guide; PvP Guide; Job Actions. Black Mage has some of the highest damage output of any DPS class in the game, landing it at a top spot of this list. After paying a visit to Lalai, she informs us that she has been working on a tome detailing all that she learned of the art of the Black Mage. I play BLM and SMN regularly as my main DPS classes. That said, movement isn't really a problem for them, just make sure to keep your pet alive and it can help with mitigating damage on various abilities that are spread out across the number of people hit. BLM's the first DPS class I've put effort into getting to 60 (thank you, PotD). Slidecasting & Positioning. Fire 1 spam just isn't interesting. The first new ability in Shadowbringers is Despair a single target Flare. The Black Mage is one of the simplest DPS Jobs in FF14. BLM is more or less a matter of keeping your Thunder DoT up, cast Fire spells while you have MP, and using Blizzard to regenerate your MP, use Scathe or Firestarter/Thundercloud if you need to move. Summons are better than Black Magicks, but Summoners have less MA than Black Mages. I've also seen some people saying they'd like to just see straight buffs to summoner and black mage. In the end, you basically trade out your cheap level one spells for a greater range of the big stuff. Plus mobility, deathflare, yada yada. Mostly because I love the giant explosions and ice blocks. I wanted some way to add Black Mana or White Mana to my gauge in an AoE environment and I wanted some smaller hit for single-target fights if I needed to just lose some mana instead of starting … It's just not fun at all. Nice way to practice your rotation. Starting with "A Realm Reborn" and the expansions include "Heavensward", "Stormblood", and "Shadowbringers"! 1 Intro; 2 Starting Off; 3 Levelling Up; 4 Openers; 5 Rotation; 6 Pets; 7 Demi-Summons; 8 AoE; 9 Role Actions; 10 How To Improve; … summoner is also fun - much more mobile, though with a bit less damage. I somehow came across these blogs on lodestone, class evaluations. But I do find that the repetitiveness of the rotation can get just a little dull after long hours of playing, moreso than summoner (others may find the opposite to be true, aka smn becomes tedious after long hours whereas blm eventually falls into more of a "zen"). FFXIV Jobs; FFXIV Shadowbringers Summoner; Guide; Levelling Up; Pages in this Guide. The absurd AOE means that you never need to worry about trash taking too long. A community for fans of Square Enix's popular MMORPG "Final Fantasy XIV Online", also known as FFXIV or FF14. 36% Upvoted. Reading these might help you out, too. Personally, I'd go for the Black Mage. The Summoner requires you to keep watching your dot timers, has somewhat annoying pet ai, and does require quite a lot of proper skill stacking/chaining for maximum dps. The slog to Swiftcast put me off the class for an expansion and a half, but getting to play around with the 60 stuff in PotD gave me the drive to level it until I could Fire IV random things outside of PotD. Infinite MP. Raging strikes, tri disaster, bane, painflare, swiftcast shadowflare, garuda's AoE, enkindle, painflare, deathflare. (Oh yeah it has infinite resources). This Job is my main, and I will try not to go too far into minutia… But that is kind of my thing. Deals burst damage and has pets, the Summoner starts out as an Arcanist. thought the DWT mechanic and the mp management with R3 really spiced things up. Summoner vs Black Mage fun-wise [Discussion] Close. Pets boost nearby teammates with their abilities. FFXIV Jobs; FFXIV Shadowbringers Summoner; Guide; Rotation; Pages in this Guide. Stormblood, however, gave us a heavily back-ended mechanic with Demi-Bahamut that felt extremely 'chunky' to use and turned me away from Summoner in favor of Red Mage. pros and cons. 15. share. T8, as a stark contrast to SMNs, is a great fight for BLMs, especially if they don't have to be counted on to deal with many mechanics in the fight. This is the most important aspect of Black Mage. Just got so bored of spamming Ruin I waiting for dots to need refreshing. Summoner bc im able to move, deathflare, half the time im double-weaving, I prefer summoner. I really like DoTs, I rather see the enemy's health chip away rather than see big numbers. SMN: Very good class for progression fights, high dps but with slow build up (one of the highest dps in game and easier to reach high numbers on, but very hard to reach the skill cap), battle rez very valuable for progression and overall solid class. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Screenshots; Videos; Comments. Both are viable at endgame. Yeah, as a SCH main I also find SMN both directly less fun than it and also inconvenient to play very much due to muscle memory, Keeper's Hymns, etc. Welcome to the fourth new job in Shadowbringers! Really though, level them both. for now. Reminder that Stone Sky Sea is a thing. Job Actions. Pros: Mobile for a caster, high single target damage and able to revive downed friendlies. Which immediately makes me want to learn how to play this version of the Job. We’re all on a journey of discovery today. Just because the rotation isn't even a rotation at all, it's constantly changing based on what dots are about to fall off and how many aether stacks you have vs whether you can bane onto adds or fester a single target. report. Adrenaline Rush Job Gauge. Maybe the DoT ticks make her resume attacking. Summoner always feels like playing a crappy Scholar with a lobotomized pet, except for the brief period between starting DWT and using Deathflare. Also the fire/ice rotation is more fun than the dotting. it's my main class. I feel BLM is easier to play than SMN. They can do decent damage too, but you have to make sure you keep your dots rolling on the boss so you can out put the most that you can. Add that with the cooldown management and working all of this around jumps and transitions and it's extremely flexible and rewarding. Summoner vs Black Mage fun-wise [Discussion] New-ish player here. Unfortunately, this is most endgame encounters (coil, EX primals). On the other hand black mage is a pretty big rush since you'll find yourself getting good at casting until the absolute last second when you need to dodge stuff for the sake of keeping up dps. Unfortunately, Black Mage isn’t much a team player, lacking any useful party buffs and long spell casting times require a Black Mage to stay in one spot longer than most magic classes. Plus you have some great single target dps you can save up by spamming ruin3 outside of DWT when necessary, which means you keep mana saved up for any tricky dps checks. It's also a longer duration fight, so they will have to rely on getting Ballad at some point to stay competitive with other DPS. Der Rotmagier ist ein magischer Fernkämpfer der Mana aufbaut, um mit seinem Rapier in den Nahkampf zu springen und massiven Schaden zu machen. Level both up to 50 and choose whichever's playstyle you prefer. When I was leveling it after couple other jobs, I just loved it, and thought I'd make it my main instead of BLM, it was more complex and active than BLM, which I've definitely played the most, and the pet was fun to manage too. BLM has high burst damage, but fights that require a heavy amount of movement will have a devastating impact on their DPS throughout the course of the fight. 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